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Jason Murray - The Great One
2003-10-19 07:33:59 UTC
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That does indeed sound correct. I have tried to 'school the Moroccans and
Algerians on this, but they seem to go by the 'official version: Berbers
being the oldest inhabitants of north Africa.

Now, do you any pics of any kind about these Berbers, black and the white
kind? Where in Asia did these white Berbers come from and are they related
to Arabians. Can you also explain to these whites who come on here what an
arab is. I say there is no such thing, they say white or not a 'nigger.'
What do you say?
These "white" Berbers are not indigenous to North Africa, they are
descended from a group of Asiatics who invaded Libya in prehistoric
times and mixed with a Negro people called the "bar-abra" The name
"barabra" is also the llocal term for Nubian in today's Nubia which is
the land between the Northern part of Sudan and the Southern part of
Egypt. There are about ten million Nubians between these two nations
and millions of Black Egyptians, Black Coptics. The rest of the
so-called Egyptians are of Arab, Greek, Turk, Jewish, Semitic origins.
The majority of Egyptians are actually Negroid Felahim who live in the
villages and towns and are not found in large cities like Cairo (Kairun
and Fostat being the Arab cities that replaced hte original Egyptian
one).
Secondly, there are many times more Black aboriginal Berbers who have
always lived in the Sahara and are pure Black African Negroes. Another
branch of the "white" Berbers are actually descendants of the Germans
who invaded Northern Africa during the early Middle Ages. They were the
Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Vandals, Jutes, and others. These Germans were
pushed into the desert by the Romans and eventually mixed with the Black
Berbers and took on their language and customs after many centuries.
The original Berbers were related to the Black Numidians.
John_kab
2003-10-19 17:41:43 UTC
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 07:33:59 GMT, "Jason Murray - The Great One"
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
That does indeed sound correct. I have tried to 'school the
Moroccans and
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
Algerians on this, but they seem to go by the 'official version: Berbers
being the oldest inhabitants of north Africa.
Jason, you are trying to reinvente the thread to cut the butter. Did
you ever ask yourself where the Zulus od South Africa came from ?
Well , when you will have an answer to that question, you will find a
lead to answer the question related to the origins of the Amazigh
(Berber) people of North Africa.
DNA analysis have shown so far that the Imazighen (Berbers) of North
Africa share the same DNA trend than the people of Southern Spain
but this is not a major find since we are talking geographically
about a region separated by a detroit from North Africa.
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
Now, do you any pics of any kind about these Berbers, black and the white
kind?
Go visit North African Berber speaking areas.
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
Where in Asia did these white Berbers come from and are they related
to Arabians.
Crap!
Berbers did not come from anyplace in Asia.
Never been there and not related in any way to any people from Asia.
No scientific find of any sort relates them to the area.
Of course some arab historians like Ibn Khaldoun have included many
fables
in their writtings about the origins of the Berbers but, as we know it
now, it is all fantasy.
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
Can you also explain to these whites who come on here what an
arab is.
What an Arab is? go to Saoudia Arabia and the Gulf states and you will
find what Arabs are and how they look. Most of the others are "fake"
Arabs.
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
I say there is no such thing, they say white or not a 'nigger.'
What do you say?
Came to think of it. There is only one white people in Africa and
there are called Imazighen (Berbers). Theye have been there as far as
recorded history has started. Even the name AFRICA is Berber and a
Berber king
said 2300 years ago : "AFRICA to the Africans"
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
These "white" Berbers are not indigenous to North Africa, they are
descended from a group of Asiatics who invaded Libya in prehistoric
times and mixed with a Negro people called the "bar-abra"
This is absurd. First of all the word Berber is subject to a lot of
speculation
regarding its origin. For some it might mean "Barbarus", but it is a
fact that
the anciens Egyptians recorded the people of North Africa as having
titles
like " Barabita" et "Berberita".
In any case today's Berbers call themselves Imazighen and speak
tamazight.
No scientific trace of your claim concerning this invasion.
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
The name
"barabra" is also the llocal term for Nubian in today's Nubia which is
the land between the Northern part of Sudan and the Southern part of
Egypt. There are about ten million Nubians between these two
nations
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
and millions of Black Egyptians, Black Coptics. The rest of the
so-called Egyptians are of Arab, Greek, Turk, Jewish, Semitic
origins.

You obviously never visited a Berber speaking region like Kabylia
in Algeria
or the Rif in Morocco, otherwise you will not write such crap.
Sure, Berbers come in many skin tones but that has a lot to do
with the
geographical location where these Berbers live. The Berbers
from Mali are dark skinned but the Berbers of Kabylia, Algeria, are as
white as
any people from the Mediterranean countries, because they live on the
coast.
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
The majority of Egyptians are actually Negroid Felahim who live in the
villages and towns and are not found in large cities like Cairo (Kairun
and Fostat being the Arab cities that replaced hte original
Egyptian
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
one).
Secondly, there are many times more Black aboriginal Berbers who have
always lived in the Sahara and are pure Black African Negroes.
Wrong. There are black berberophones but no ethnic black Berbers.
The Berber Tuaregs from Mali
and Niger and southern Morocco are dark skinned but not black.
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
Another
branch of the "white" Berbers are actually descendants of the
Germans
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
who invaded Northern Africa during the early Middle Ages. They were the
Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Vandals, Jutes, and others.
Crap. The Berbers were white well before these few Vandals came to
occupy few cities on the coast of North Africa. The Ancient
Egyptians
recorded the White Berbers well before your vandals ever stepped in
North Africa.
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
These Germans were
pushed into the desert by the Romans and eventually mixed with the Black
Berbers and took on their language and customs after many
centuries.

Crap. The Vandals came after the Romans and not the other way
around.
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
The original Berbers were related to the Black Numidians.
Non sens.
Jason Murray - The Great One
2003-10-19 18:51:48 UTC
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Post by John_kab
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 07:33:59 GMT, "Jason Murray - The Great One"
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
That does indeed sound correct. I have tried to 'school the
Moroccans and
Berbers
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
being the oldest inhabitants of north Africa.
Jason, you are trying to reinvente the thread to cut the butter. Did
you ever ask yourself where the Zulus od South Africa came from ?
Well , when you will have an answer to that question, you will find a
lead to answer the question related to the origins of the Amazigh
(Berber) people of North Africa.
DNA analysis have shown so far that the Imazighen (Berbers) of North
Africa share the same DNA trend than the people of Southern Spain
but this is not a major find since we are talking geographically
about a region separated by a detroit from North Africa.
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
Now, do you any pics of any kind about these Berbers, black and the
white
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
kind?
Go visit North African Berber speaking areas.
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
Where in Asia did these white Berbers come from and are they related
to Arabians.
Crap!
Berbers did not come from anyplace in Asia.
Never been there and not related in any way to any people from Asia.
No scientific find of any sort relates them to the area.
Of course some arab historians like Ibn Khaldoun have included many
fables
in their writtings about the origins of the Berbers but, as we know it
now, it is all fantasy.
Actually, it was a question. In the white world and the near-eastern world,
most agree that Berbers come from Asia. As you have seen in ancient Egypt,
all points west of Egypt was home to white-like savage tribes. Looking at
the ancient Egyptians and those Libyans, it is clear that 'someone' came
from some where else. I am sure that is was not the Egyptians.
Post by John_kab
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
Can you also explain to these whites who come on here what an
arab is.
What an Arab is? go to Saoudia Arabia and the Gulf states and you will
find what Arabs are and how they look. Most of the others are "fake"
Arabs.
I will not. If I were to go there to see what an arab looks like, I will
still leave asking the same question.
Post by John_kab
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
I say there is no such thing, they say white or not a 'nigger.'
What do you say?
Came to think of it. There is only one white people in Africa and
there are called Imazighen (Berbers). Theye have been there as far as
recorded history has started. Even the name AFRICA is Berber and a
Berber king
said 2300 years ago : "AFRICA to the Africans"
Recorded history, but not human history.
Post by John_kab
You obviously never visited a Berber speaking region like Kabylia
in Algeria
or the Rif in Morocco, otherwise you will not write such crap.
Sure, Berbers come in many skin tones but that has a lot to do
with the
geographical location where these Berbers live. The Berbers
from Mali are dark skinned but the Berbers of Kabylia, Algeria, are as
white as
any people from the Mediterranean countries, because they live on the
coast.
Fool. Just becuase someone lives on a coast does not mean that they are
lighter. They are lighter because the coast is where most of the invasions
took place. Most of the invaders were white. The interior, they are darker
becuase ther were less whites to invade.
Post by John_kab
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
The majority of Egyptians are actually Negroid Felahim who live in
the
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
villages and towns and are not found in large cities like Cairo
(Kairun
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
and Fostat being the Arab cities that replaced hte original
Egyptian
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
one).
Secondly, there are many times more Black aboriginal Berbers who
have
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
always lived in the Sahara and are pure Black African Negroes.
Wrong. There are black berberophones but no ethnic black Berbers.
The Berber Tuaregs from Mali
and Niger and southern Morocco are dark skinned but not black.
This is a foolish statement. Dark-skinned but not black. Negroid, but not
a negro. Denzel Washington is dark-skinned, but not black. If you mean
these people are not black-skinned, then you may have a small point. They
are black. I guess the American white man is no the only one who wants to
claim certain black people in Africa as their own just so they won't lower
you nubers and make you really seem like your people came in to occupy the
land.
John_kab
2003-10-19 22:45:56 UTC
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Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
Post by John_kab
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 07:33:59 GMT, "Jason Murray - The Great One"
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
That does indeed sound correct. I have tried to 'school the
Moroccans and
Berbers
Post by John_kab
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
being the oldest inhabitants of north Africa.
Jason, you are trying to reinvente the thread to cut the butter. Did
you ever ask yourself where the Zulus od South Africa came from ?
Well , when you will have an answer to that question, you will find a
lead to answer the question related to the origins of the Amazigh
(Berber) people of North Africa.
DNA analysis have shown so far that the Imazighen (Berbers) of North
Africa share the same DNA trend than the people of Southern Spain
but this is not a major find since we are talking geographically
about a region separated by a detroit from North Africa.
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
Now, do you any pics of any kind about these Berbers, black and the
white
Post by John_kab
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
kind?
Go visit North African Berber speaking areas.
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
Where in Asia did these white Berbers come from and are they related
to Arabians.
Crap!
Berbers did not come from anyplace in Asia.
Never been there and not related in any way to any people from Asia.
No scientific find of any sort relates them to the area.
Of course some arab historians like Ibn Khaldoun have included many
fables
in their writtings about the origins of the Berbers but, as we know it
now, it is all fantasy.
Actually, it was a question. In the white world and the near-eastern world,
most agree that Berbers come from Asia. As you have seen in ancient Egypt,
all points west of Egypt was home to white-like savage tribes. Looking at
the ancient Egyptians and those Libyans, it is clear that 'someone' came
from some where else. I am sure that is was not the Egyptians.
Most agree that Berbers came from Asia ? who are these most ? You
and the
Afrocentrists who want to claim, based on nothing, that North Africa
can
not be white?
You still did not answer my question about the Zulus on South
Africa. Tell me
where did they come from ? Once you answer that question based on
scientific
evidence then you will have a lead on where the Berbers came from.
As long
as you do not have any scientific evidence, the answer is simple:
The
Berbers never came fromm anywhere.
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Can you also explain to these whites who come on here what an
arab is.
What an Arab is? go to Saoudia Arabia and the Gulf states and you will
find what Arabs are and how they look. Most of the others are "fake"
Arabs.
I will not. If I were to go there to see what an arab looks like, I will
still leave asking the same question.
Post by John_kab
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
I say there is no such thing, they say white or not a 'nigger.'
What do you say?
Came to think of it. There is only one white people in Africa and
there are called Imazighen (Berbers). Theye have been there as far as
recorded history has started. Even the name AFRICA is Berber and a
Berber king
said 2300 years ago : "AFRICA to the Africans"
Recorded history, but not human history.
There is no human history if it is not recorded. Anything based on
speculation is not history.
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
Post by John_kab
You obviously never visited a Berber speaking region like Kabylia
in Algeria
or the Rif in Morocco, otherwise you will not write such crap.
Sure, Berbers come in many skin tones but that has a lot to do
with the
geographical location where these Berbers live. The Berbers
from Mali are dark skinned but the Berbers of Kabylia, Algeria, are as
white as
any people from the Mediterranean countries, because they live on the
coast.
Fool. Just becuase someone lives on a coast does not mean that they are
lighter. They are lighter because the coast is where most of the invasions
took place. Most of the invaders were white. The interior, they are darker
becuase ther were less whites to invade.
Location. Location .. location. When I said coast , I was talking
about the most nordic place of Africa. What you do not understand is
that naturally
there is a great divide in Africa and it is called The Sahara
desert.
Anything below the Sahara is black and anything above the Sahara is
white.
Concerning invaders better tell me why south Africa is not 80% white
?
Again Ancient Egyptians have recorded that People from North Africa
are white with even certain trend for blond and blue eyes and all
these well before
any invaders ever put a foot in North Africa.
Stop this non sens. Read history.
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The majority of Egyptians are actually Negroid Felahim who live in
the
Post by John_kab
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
villages and towns and are not found in large cities like Cairo
(Kairun
Post by John_kab
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
and Fostat being the Arab cities that replaced hte original
Egyptian
Post by John_kab
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one).
Secondly, there are many times more Black aboriginal Berbers who
have
Post by John_kab
Post by Jason Murray - The Great One
always lived in the Sahara and are pure Black African Negroes.
Wrong. There are black berberophones but no ethnic black Berbers.
The Berber Tuaregs from Mali
and Niger and southern Morocco are dark skinned but not black.
This is a foolish statement. Dark-skinned but not black. Negroid, but not
a negro. Denzel Washington is dark-skinned, but not black. If you mean
these people are not black-skinned, then you may have a small point. They
are black. I guess the American white man is no the only one who wants to
claim certain black people in Africa as their own just so they won't lower
you nubers and make you really seem like your people came in to occupy the
land.
Of course you can be dark-skinned and be white.
A lot of people around the mediterranean sea ( Italians, Greeks)
have a "tanned' look, does that mean theye are not white ?
Denzel Washington has white and black ancestry. He can call hismself
whatever he weant to.
Jason Murray - The Great One
2003-10-22 02:59:19 UTC
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Post by John_kab
Most agree that Berbers came from Asia ? who are these most ? You
and the
Afrocentrists who want to claim, based on nothing, that North Africa
can
not be white?
These are actually white people dude.
Post by John_kab
You still did not answer my question about the Zulus on South
Africa. Tell me
where did they come from ?
We are talking Berbers, not Zulus.

Once you answer that question based on
Post by John_kab
scientific
evidence then you will have a lead on where the Berbers came from.
As long
The
Berbers never came fromm anywhere.
There is no human history if it is not recorded. Anything based on
speculation is not history.
Yes. Tools, paintings any trace of a culture or civilization. It does not
have to be written in words.
Post by John_kab
Location. Location .. location. When I said coast , I was talking
about the most nordic place of Africa.
That word says it all about you....
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Of course you can be dark-skinned and be white.
I would love to meet some dark-skinned white man. I never have.
Post by John_kab
A lot of people around the mediterranean sea ( Italians, Greeks)
have a "tanned' look, does that mean theye are not white ?
If the one drop rule in the US applied, no they would not be white. Many do
not consider them white anyway. Only when we are talking conquests and
history do they become white. When talking race, they are not. We know
their history, so the 'why' they are dark is more of the concern than the
'they are dark-skinned whites' garbage. Dark-skinned WHITES. Does that
even make sense? We know how they got that way...
Post by John_kab
Denzel Washington has white and black ancestry. He can call hismself
whatever he weant to.
So you'll accept him calling himself a dark-skinned white man and you will
see him as such?

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